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MoQ I & MoQ II Duals

by

Doug Renselle

commenting and quoting

Robert M. Pirsig and Modern Quantum Science and Quantonics' own innovative Essene~tial Quantum~Philosophy


 

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Doug Renselle composed the above list of comparisons in an effort
to help interested parties see the dualities twixt Pirsig's

Metaphysics of Quality

and the new science, which Doug calls the

Mechanics of Quanta.

 


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Each entry below is one example of a comparative duality between:

MoQ I, the

Metaphysics of Quality,

and

MoQ II, the

Mechanics of Quanta.

(This page reflects well what Doug thought and how he wrote, narratively, in about 1998. Today, CeodE 2009~2010, Doug's quantum~being has evolved radically after over 10 years of Quantonics research. Doug is leaving his 1998 prose, ugly thelogos and all, as-is so you can check for yourself to see how much Doug has evolved in roughly 11 years. Doug - 28Sep2009. Some more recent links added to help bridge then and now.)
Acronyms:
 DQ  - Dynamic Quality (the unknown)
 MoQ I  - Metaphysics of Quality (Pirsig)
 MoQ II  - Mechanics of Quanta (quantum science); see nMoQ
 O  - Object (substance, matter)
 QE  - Quality Event
 Quanton  - Realized or unrealized qwf
 qwf  - Quantum wave function
 S  - Subject (nonsubstance, mind)
 SOM  - Subject-Object Metaphysics
 SPoV  - Static Pattern of Value
 SQ  - Static Quality (the known)
 VES  - Vacuum Energy Space (Casimir effect)
 ZMM - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
 
 - [in] Interrelationship(s) [with]
- Local & nonlocal interrelationships
- Pirsig's "random access"
- N-spatial interrelationships
MoQ I's:  The Quality Event vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  The Special Event
MoQ I's:  Static Patterns of Value vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Quantons (Realized)
MoQ I's:  SPoVs v (DQ v SPoVs) vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Quantons v (the Unmeasured v Quantons)
MoQ I's:  Many Truths or Many Contexts vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Islands of Truth or Quantum Logic
MoQ I's:  Values Preconditions vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Probabilistic Measurement Preconditions
MoQ I's:  Values Preconditions vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Statistical Predictions of Patterns of Events
MoQ I's:  Value as Interrelationships vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Measurement as Interrelationships
MoQ I's:  Value as SQ cowithin DQ vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Probability as Product of Conjugates
MoQ I's:  SPoVs co-within DQ vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Fermions & Bosons co-within the Unmeasured
MoQ I's:  SPoVs co-within DQ vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  The Measured co-within the Unmeasured
MoQ I's:  Many Truths and Many Contexts vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Superluminality
MoQ I's:  Many truths vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Uncertainty
MoQ I's:  DQ vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Superluminality
MoQ I's:  SQ's Displayed Separability and Locality vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Displayed Local Phenomena
MoQ I's:  DQ Creates Value vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Quantum Measurement Creates Value
MoQ I's:  SPoVs Represent Static Reality vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Quantons Represent Measured Reality
MoQ I's:  Two Categories: DQ & SQ vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Two Categories: Unmeasured & Measured
MoQ I's:  DQ & SQ vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Unmeasured & Measured
MoQ I's:  Undefinability of DQ vis-à-vis MoQ II's:  Undefinability of the Unmeasured

ò MoQ I vis-à-vis MoQ II ò

ò Descriptions of MoQ I & II Dualities ò

MoQ I's:  The Quality Event

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  The Special Event

MoQ I:  In Pirsig's MoQ he describes the Quality Event in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance as,

"It is the event at which the subject becomes aware of the object.  And because without objects there can be no subject...because the objects create the subject's awareness of himself...Quality is the event at which awareness of both subjects and objects is made possible...This means Quality is not just the result of a collision between subject and object. The very existence of subject and object themselves is deduced from the Quality event. The Quality event is the cause of the subjects and objects, which are then mistakenly presumed to be the cause of the Quality!" (Page 215 of the Bantam paperback.)

See the diagram on this website showing a graphic depiction called MoQ I Reality Loop.

MoQ II:  In Quantum Science physicists describe the point at which quantons actualize — as collapse, or transformation from unreal to real — as superposed complementarity in both configuratioN-space and real space. See the diagram on this website showing a graphic depiction called MoQ II Reality Loop.

In quantum science special events are the 'measurement events' when undifferentiated quantons transform into differentiated quantons. John von Neumann calls these events 'collapses' of quantum wave functions. No one understands what happens and how it happens, but we can see the events happen experimentally. There are many quantum science theories about what happens. The most predominant, but waning, is the orthodox Copenhagen view. Another is von Neumann's view. A more recent one is called neorealism. Each deals with the 'special event' in a different manner, requires different conceptions of measurement devices.

When we compare MoQ I directly to MoQ II, we see that each deals with 'special events' in a different manner. MoQ I makes no attempt to explain its equivalent 'Quality Events,' other than to say at QEs Subjects become aware of Objects and Dynamic Quality (DQ) latches to Static Patterns of Value (SPoVs). These SPoVs compose all of Static Quality (SQ) where DQ and SQ are the two major divisions of MoQ I. Yet, as pattern-aware humans, it is nearly impossible for us not to see the incredible similarities, almost identities, between MoQ I and MoQ II.

Author's note: It is very interesting to consider that discussion of this process in the literature predominates unidirectionally in favor of quantum~evolutionary~creation. It is well to consider that the process (probably) runs the other way, too. See our more recent Generation III Reality Loop. The Quantonics perspective intentionally captures this important aspect of the QE and Special Event in the aforementioned graphics.

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MoQ I's:  Static Patterns of Value

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Quantons (Realized)

MoQ I:  Pirsig shows us that SPoVs emerge or actualize at QEs. He does not say so, but we can infer that some legacy SPoVs also deactualize at QEs.

We can see that SPoVs are real patterns.

MoQ II:  Quantum science shows us that quantons become actualized or realized at the measurement or special event.

We can see that quantons are real patterns.

The duality of SPoVs and real quantons appears obvious.

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MoQ I's:  SPoVs (DQ SPoVs)

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Quantons (the Unmeasured Quantons)

MoQ I:  Pirsig implicitly discusses the concepts of co-within-ness and Capra's interpenetration as we can infer from this quoted paragraph:

"It isn't Lila that has quality; it's Quality that has Lila. Nothing can [wholly] have [circumscribe] Quality. To have something is to possess it, and to possess something is to dominate it. Nothing dominates Quality. If there's domination and possession involved, it's Quality that dominates and possesses Lila. She's created by it. She's a cohesion of changing static patterns of this Quality. There isn't any more to her than that. The words Lila uses, the thoughts she thinks, the values she holds, are the end product of three and a half billion years of the history of the entire world. She's a kind of jungle of evolutionary patterns of value. She doesn't know how they all got there any more than any jungle knows how it came to be." Page 138 of the Bantam hardbound edition.

Lila's SQ is (Her SPoVs are) in DQ. She's created by Quality. Quality has Lila. Lila is or has SQ. Lila's SQ changes via its interrelationship () with DQ.

MoQ II:  When we equate the following as duals:

  • SQ is a dual of realized quantons
  • DQ is a dual of unrealized or unmeasured quantons (VES)

then we can state the MoQ II version of the duality thus:

Lila's realized quantons are in VES. Lila's realized quantons are created by VES. VES has Lila's realized quantons. Lila is or has realized quantons. Lila's realized quantons change via their interrelationships () with VES.

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MoQ I's:  Many Truths or Many Contexts

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Islands of Truth or Quantum Logic

MoQ I:  On the issue of many truths Pirsig says the following:

"Unlike subject-object metaphysics the Metaphysics of Quality does not insist on a single exclusive truth. If subjects and objects are held to be the ultimate reality then we're permitted only one construction of things-that which corresponds to the "objective" world—and all other constructions are unreal. But if Quality or excellence is seen as the ultimate reality then it becomes possible for more than one set of truths to exist. Then one doesn't seek the absolute "Truth." One seeks instead the highest quality intellectual explanation of things with the knowledge that if the past is any guide to the future [inductivist] this explanation must be taken provisionally; as useful until something better comes along. One can then examine intellectual realities the same way he examines paintings in an art gallery, not with an effort to find out which one is the "real" painting, but simply to enjoy and keep those that are of value. There are many sets of intellectual reality in existence and we can perceive some to have more quality than others, but that we do so is, in part, the result of our history and current patterns of values." See pp. 99-100 of Lila, Bantam hardbound edition, 410 pages.

Pirsig says more, about many truths, a few years later in his presentation at the Fall 1995 Einstein Meets Magritte conference in Brussels Belgium. His presentation is titled, Subjects, Objects, Data and Values.

"The Metaphysics of Quality says there can be many competing truths and it is value that decides among them. This is the very essence of William James' philosophy of Pragmatism which Bohr greatly admired. The name "Complementarity" itself means there can be multiple truths." See page 14 of Pirsig's SODV paper. The paper is available, online, with permission, here — Pirsig's SODV — on the Quantonics site.

We can see in Pirsig's words above that MoQ I takes a dramatically different position on truth from the position taken by SOM. Simply stated, SOM says there is one, knowable absolute truth. MoQ says there are many truths, many of which are complementary. It may be worthwhile to repeat

The MoQ Credo:

  • A House of MoQ has many truths, all ruled by Good.
  • A House of SOM has one Truth which rules and demotes good.
  • A House of Cultural Relativism has no good, no truth, and therein chaos reigns.

Where SOM creates paradoxes (paradice) via its inane and inutile insistence on unitary absolute knowable truth, MoQ eliminates many paradice via the axiom of many truths and many contexts. For more on this see Renselle's letter to The Lila Squad on the subject at Many Truths To You.

The world constantly illustrates vividly for us the reality of many truths, but for some reason our addiction to SOM thinking pulls us away from overtly seeing them for what they are. Only recently, in the last 100 years have scientists begun to realize that SOM's Boolean logic only enumerates the classical interpretation of the world and that it does not wholly predicate the reality we experience every day. Why? Is there an easy answer? Perhaps.

 

MoQ II:  The quantum dual of MoQ I's many truths we call quantum logic. Many also refer to the multiple quantum logical truths as "isles of truth."

 

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MoQ I's:  Values Preconditions

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Probabilistic Measurement Preconditions

MoQ I:  

MoQ II:  

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MoQ I's:  Values Preconditions

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Statistical Predictions of Patterns of Events

MoQ I:  

MoQ II:  

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MoQ I's:  Value as Interrelationships

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Measurement as Interrelationships

MoQ I:  

MoQ II:  

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 MoQ I's:  Value as DQ cowithin SQ

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Probability as Product of Conjugates

MoQ I:  Value = DQ  SQ
                            = quanton(DQ,SQ)
                            = DQ in interrelationships with SQ

MoQ II:  Probability = YY*
                                 = statistical product of wave
                                    function conjugates
                                 = Born's probability law

See Pirsig's comments on probability as value in his SODV paper.

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MoQ I's:  SPoVs co-within DQ

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Fermions & Bosons co-within the Unmeasured

MoQ I:  

MoQ II:  

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MoQ I's:  SPoVs co-within DQ

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  The Measured co-within the Unmeasured

MoQ I:  

MoQ II:  

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MoQ I's:  Many Truths and Many Contexts

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Superluminality

MoQ I:  

MoQ II:  

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MoQ I's:  Many truths

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Uncertainty

MoQ I:  

MoQ II:  

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MoQ I's:  DQ

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Superluminality

MoQ I:  

MoQ II:  

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MoQ I's:  SQ's Displayed Separability and Locality

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Displayed Local Phenomena

MoQ I:  

MoQ II:  

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MoQ I's:  DQ Creates Value

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Quantum Measurement Creates Value

MoQ I:  In Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance (ZMM) Pirsig shows us that:

"Quality is the continuing stimulus which our environment puts upon us to create the world in which we live. All of it. Every last bit of it." Page 225 of the 373 page Bantam paperback.

Next page:

"Quality was the source and substance of everything."

Note that Pirsig had not yet distinguished the two major divisions of Quality: SQ and DQ. These major divisions appeared 17 years later in Lila. Clearly the stimulus he avers in ZMM is DQ.

"...Dynamic Quality, the Quality of freedom, creates this world in which we live..." Page 121 of the Bantam hardbound 410 page Lila.

Essentially, later in Lila, Pirsig gets to the crucial point of seeing that values are interrelationships and that Quality, and in particular DQ, creates value interrelationships.

From Pirsig's perspective this primary axiom of value as interrelationships among all things in Homo sapiens' known world distinguishes MoQ from its predecessor, SOM. SOM cannot see this, indeed is blind to it, and thus this is another major limitation of SOM vis-à-vis MoQ.

MoQ II:  

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MoQ I's:  SPoVs Represent Static Reality

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Quantons Represent Measured Reality

MoQ I:  

MoQ II:  

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MoQ I's:  Two Categories: DQ & SQ

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Two Categories: Unmeasured & Measured

MoQ I:  

MoQ II:  

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MoQ I's:  DQ & SQ

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Unmeasured & Measured

MoQ I:  

MoQ II:  

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MoQ I's:  Undefinability of DQ

vis-à-vis

MoQ II's:  Undefinability of the Unmeasured

MoQ I:  Pirsig says flatly and bluntly that DQ is undefined and shall remain so. Any attempt to wholly define DQ is an attempt to wholly convert DQ to SQ which is immoral within MoQ I by definition. See Doug's later MoQ Emerscitecture diagram.

MoQ II:  Technically, among physicists and theoreticians this is known as the Quantum Interpretation Question.

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