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 Aug 1999

What does all this have to do with yin and yang?

Carla Park from Australia answers on 17Aug1999:

Old and new; As strands of thought have evolved the shortcomings of the previous manner of distinguishing between the phenomena collectively named reality have become apparent so dynamic insights are trying to incorporate themselves into the static structure of 'recognized' philosophy so as to define and utilize terms which offer more accurate descriptions as to the structure and nature of reality. Thus the divergent and convergent nature of the discussion and the agreement and disagreement between the static body of thought and the dynamic insights trying to offer greater clarity to the Questions traditionally wrestled with, to me resemble the nature of 'yin and yang', moving forward with balance.

(Quantonics color and emphasis added. 17Aug1999 PDR.)

Thanks, Carla, for participating in our Quantonics Question & Answer for August, 1999!

Your answer is superb. It grasps essence of Pirsig's MoQ from an alternate perspective. I consider memetic concord such as this — a kind of philosophical overlapping of similar attractors — a kind of co-validation. However, meme 'yin and yang' is different. It is more quantum-rhetorical than classical-dialectical.

We enjoyed your answer. Please share again.

We have several questions about your philosophical view:

1. Do stasis and dynamis superpose?
2. Do 'attractors' (structions) of static reality superpose?
3. Do you perceive yin and yang as separate or commingling?


Beth answers on 25Aug1999:


What does all of this have to do with yin and yang?

I have not read much detail about yin and yang, but I will take a stab
at your question.

Autonomous and yet coexist.
Strange attractors.
Complementary to one another.
Interpenetrate one another.

Well, am I on the right track?

(Quantonics color and emphasis added. 26Aug1999 PDR.)

Thanks Beth, for participating in our Quantonics Question & Answer for August, 1999!

As usual, you pretty much hit bulls' eyes. From my personal perspective you state essence as your answer. Please note my questions above to Carla.

Thanks again for participating in our August QQ&A.



Doug's response to our August, 1999 Question:  "What does all this have to do with yin and yang?"

We want to use some acronyms in our answer:

DQ: Dynamic Quality
Robert M. Pirsig's Metaphysics of Quality
O: Object
S: Subject
SOM: Subject-Object Metaphysics
SQ: Static Quality

We want to use two symbols in our answer:



  " quantonic interrelationship[s] with..." Represents quantum commingling/interpenetration.
   "...quantonic equals..." A non-Aristotelian equals. In quantum reality, A=A is naïve. In quantum reality, A is both A and not A.

(Use your right mouse button to click on our 'quantonic equals' to see its GIF art.)

Please be aware there are many ways to approach Tao. There are various cultural interpretations including Japanese, East Indian, Chinese, etc. We chose China's I Ching for our approach to Tao.

We are using, as our source of information about Tao and yin/yang, a fine book titled, I Ching, by Rudolph Ritsema and Stephen Karcher, pub. Barnes & Noble Books, 1995. We find this book simply superb! Even if you may not become a practitioner of I Ching, you will find this book a fun adventure. Its generous and general contexts and examples allow you to shine alternate light on your own life and its unique questions and issues.

Note that we are not experts on I Ching. Honestly, you may say we are not even novices! We are reading this book and putting its words and concepts in interrelationships with other work we do here in Quantonics. Please keep that in mind as you read our words here.

Delightfully, we find extraordinary resonances among: Pirsig's MoQ, Quantonics, Quantum Science, and I Ching's Tao. We pursue those harmonies in our answer to August, 1999's Quantonic Question & Answer, "What does all this have to do with yin and yang?"

(Too, our opinions find a few dissonances, which we note.)

Ching means standard, fundamental, classic text.

I has three themes. Tao is one theme. Two other I themes are: te (power/virtue), and chün tzu (divine living via connection to Tao).

Chün tzu is roughly equivalent to what we call 'interrelationships' in Quantonics. Chün tzu is 'superposition' of nonactual/actual (I Ching says, "...heaven/earth"). Our symbol '' which we use for 'interrelationships' may be thought of as roughly symbolic of chün tzu. By comparison te may be acquired, thus it appears as static value or latched value. Then if we (very coarsely) associate DQ with Tao and SQ with te, we can associate I Ching (a loom/weaver of reality) with Pirsig's MoQ. We can then depict I Ching's reality model and MoQ's reality model as duals, thus:

  • I Ching is looming/weaving/modeling reality: Tao chün tzu te.
  • MoQ is modeling reality Quality DQ SQ.

Described in words, i.e., how did we transmogrify reality models from I Ching to Quality? We replace:

chün tzu with our Wingdings lower case 'v' symbol ','
Tao with DQ,
te with SQ,
'is' with our Quantonics recursive equals, and
I Ching with Quality.

Tao is literally: way; flow of energy. (Compare Tao to Wu Li, or patterns of energy, i.e., 'physics.' Note Gary Zukav depicted five of over 85 possible interpretations of Wu Li in his Dancing Wu Li Masters: Patterns of Organic Energy, My Way, Nonsense, I Clutch My Ideas, and Enlightenment. Ritsema and Karcher's I Ching appears to use 'Wu' as 'no' consistently. This appears as one potential weakness. Also note that we depicted Tao as more like MoQ's DQ. DQ has no patterns — it is patternless, absolute change. Patterned energy is part of MoQ's SQ. So you can see our comparisons are inexact.)

Tao has no English equivalent. One seeks to be in Tao (both/and Tao 'seeks' to be in one) and thus experience enlightenment and life's ('reality's') energy. Tao Value (i.e., Tao is Value.) This fits perfectly with our association of Tao with DQ. Tao is not deterministic; however it is all possibilities in flux or change. Tao is potentia. Tao is like a commingling substrate/mesostrate/superstrate which nurtures nexus, emergence, and change.

Tao is implicit/intrinsic/natural coherence. We could use our Quantonic notation to represent I Ching slightly differently:

I Ching  Tao  te

I Ching offers detail for answers, understanding and enlightenment via an organization of 64 hexagrams. We want to give a brief description of a hexagram, and then look briefly at Tao's yin and yang through each of 64 hexagrams. Each hexagram is an answer to one of your questions. One examines self in light of a hexagram, with one's full awareness a hexagram represents a c¤mplementary pair: trial (testing of self) and vessel (containment, innovation, imagination, sustenance, support, transformation).

Here is what Ritsema and Karcher have to say about I Ching's hexagrams:

"Each hexagram is made up of six opened —    — and/or whole ——— lines. The lines have specific qualities, called supple and solid, which link them with the two primary agents in Eastern thought, yin and yang. Each hexagram can be thought of as a set of six empty places through which energy moves and changes. Energy comes into the hexagram from below [line 1] and leaves at the top [line 6]. The places are numbered accordingly. The lowest is the first and the highest is the sixth. These hexagrams represent possible modes of change in the world, the dynamic qualities of time.

"Each hexagram is also thought of as being composed of two trigrams or three-line figures. They represent basic elements of processes - wind and wood, fire and light, earth, heaven, mountain, marsh, running water, thunder - and have a wide range of associations. From this perspective each hexagram portrays the dynamic relation between a lower or inner element and an upper or outer element. This makes the division between the third and fourth lines particularly important as an interface between the inner and outer worlds. It also assigns a special value to the 2nd and 5th lines as centers of the inner and outer realms." Page 19.


Clearly one may not easily ignore yin and yang correlation to female (open, supple, etc.) to male (whole, solid, etc.).

We cannot avoid stating our opinion that two trigrams form a recursive inner, nested model of I Ching itself within an actual hexagram (pattern within pattern). Visualize a bottom trigram as 'nearer' actual-static and a top trigram as 'nearer' actual-dynamic. We imagine bottom as Pirsig's Static Quality which we can easily see and describe, and top as Static Quality which is commingling Dynamic Quality. So to look at a hexagram in our own (as far as we know) view depicts waves on top and particles on bottom. This is roughly equivalent to viewing our Quantum Egg upside down. If we use such a meme, our C's solid part corresponds to a hexagram's bottom, static trigram and our C's dotted part corresponds to a hexagram's top, dynamic trigram. Of course this is all heuristic and we must pursue I Ching further to validate our conjectures made here on a quantum spur.

Ritsema and Karcher tell us we can ask I Ching questions and find answers through selected hexagrams. Knowing which hexagrams to select is part of understanding I Ching. They tell us our goal is to use I Ching to break through and open a wall which exists twixt our binary/static "yes/no" space and a dynamic and divine nonspace (commingling our space) where answers are quality, more akin "both/and" "yin/yang" and "mu" c¤mplementary answers.

Further, Ritsema and Karcher tell us each of a hexagram's six lines can be occupied by one of four kinds of lines labeled 6 through 9: 6 is old yin (—X—) changes into young yang (female-male), 7 is young yang (——— changeless), 8 young yin (—    —, changeless), 9 old yang (—O—) changes into young yin (male-female).

6 and 9 (extreme numbers) transform into their opposite/complement. 7 and 8 (growing numbers) constellate young or growing lines. 6 and 9 are important, precise points of change. To describe one of these four lines used in a hexagram, one says, "8 at 1," if a hexagram's first line is type 8. Similarly one would say, "6 at 6, if a hexagram's last line is a type 6.

Selection of line types for each hexagram line is done bottom-up, lines 1 through 6. Selection may only be accomplished in a traditional asymmetrical manner by asking a question and then sorting 49 sticks in a repetitious process (modulus four) from two random sized piles of sticks, and generating random mod 4 remainders. (We see this as mimicking random evolution.) Once a hexagram has been constructed one looks for its match from 64 possible hexagrams in I Ching and then interprets that hexagram to obtain a 'mu' answer to one's question.


If one thinks 64 hexagrams is inadequate, consider your own DNA. Only 20 unique amino acids form your protein alphabet. And those 20 amino acids are grouped in ~100,000 different ways to create all your body's proteins — you.

It is also worthy of note that your amino acid DNA/RNA code table (considering overloading of amino acid names and start and stop codes) has 64 elements (4x4x4)!

End aside:

Note an innate bias in I Ching toward endless upward spiral of rebirth. From our naïve perspective there appears to be no equivalent of gradual diminishment (e.g., classical science's 2nd law of thermodynamics). I Ching appears to view aging as growth and dying as rebirth. We might say, though, I Ching appears irreversible (in a classical thermodynamics sense). It will be interesting to see how this observation plays out. Similarly, at this early juncture, we see no c¤mplement of evolution, i.e., devolution. Let's see what I Ching has to say about these questions. A question: Is I Ching c¤mplementary? Our guess is an enlightened answer is, "Mu." Or to keep from losing our Quality, we might ask our questioner to restate h-is-er question, "Is I Ching c¤mplementary ¤r n¤t c¤mplementary (i.e., Bohrian complementary)?" to which we can now answer, "Yes!" without losing our own Quality.

Finally note, I Ching answers questions only about possible human situations. Therefore, I Ching is innately (by human design) anthropocentric. I Ching cannot deal with questions about aliens, non-human life, inorganic forms, or nonactual concepts. We consider this a major philosophical limitation of I Ching when juxtaposed with Pirsig's MoQ and holistic philosophical perspectives of modern quantum science.


There. Now we have a minimal foundation for considering Tao's yin and yang as viewed from each of I Ching's 64 hexagrams. Here is a table with hexagrams in our first column and yin and yang comments in columns two and three:

I Ching's 64 Hexagrams

Some categories of yin and yang shown by Ritsema and Karcher are:



Yin/struction applies to:

Yang/action applies to:

shady cool Southern bank of a river

bright warm Northern bank of a river

shady cool Northern mountain slope 

  bright warm Southern mountain slope





























To be 

  To do
Yang action creates future as it destroys present (note how this agrees basally with Planck rate change, and Pirsig's DQ — absolute change).

Yin struction consolidates present and stops forward motion (note how this agrees with quantum actualization of vacuum energy, and Pirsig's latching of SQ — temporary privilege).

Here is a diagram from Ritsema and Karcher's I Ching which shows yin and yang cycles, action and struction, dynamis and stasis.



Numbers shown above correspond to numbers we use in our table of hexagrams.

Compare Ritsema and Karcher's diagram above with our reality loops.

MoQ Reality Loop
Quantum Reality Loop

If we compare yin and yang cycles to MoQ, we see similarities between DQ and North/South. Our favorite comparative heuristic here is Actual Action (South) as pure DQ changing existing SQ, and we see Actual Struction as DQ forming/creating new SQ. East and West then correspond to new SQ and changing SQ respectively. (This is only one of many possible interpretations. We also see a quantum loop in Tao's two hemicycles, and a latching process which transforms dynamic vacuum energy nonactuality into static actuality.)

If you look at a Tao symbol like this one:

You may call one side 'yin' and its c¤mplement 'yang.' From our MoQ, Quantonic, quantum perspective, what is problematic with this Tao symbol? Let's make a list:

  1. If we created a model of it, it would be a flat disk with two sides.
  2. Path is a solid line, denying c¤mplementary commingling — unless we choose to view pointed ends of tear drops as 'union,' or if we view Tao's curved path as 'superposition' or copermeable interpenetration.
  3. It does not illustrate quantum/quantonic surface/edge unification as a Mobius strip quanton does.
  4. Doug has recently shown hao Tao may be interpreted topologically (topocoquecigruesically) as a Möbius akin Schrödinger's hermaphroditic hydrogen atom m¤dal:

    Notice how our top left initial graphic mimics Schrodinger's hydrogen atom graphic just above.

    It is a thrill, too, to see how atom's two electrons are kin of complementary 'dots' which sometimes are shown in Tao symbols as open and sometimes closed 'holes.'

    A prototype for next graphic...

    This graphic was drawn by Doug on board a plane on a trip from US to Madeira, Portugal.
    Madeira is an island just off west coast of northern Africa.

    It shows a 3D quantum coobsfective tunneling complementarity of both yin to yang and yang to yin.

    10Sep2007 is first time this graphic has been shown in Quantonics.

    This is Doug's early version of a quantum tunnel. It is relevant all of these recently displayed graphics.

    10Sep2007 is first time this graphic has been shown in Quantonics.

    Some 10 year old deja vu of Doug's early memeo of Quantonet™.

    10Sep2007 is first time this graphic has been shown in Quantonics.

    Graphics added by Doug - 10Sep2007.
  5. TBD.

What do we like about this Tao symbol? Let's make a list:

  1. It is a quanton, albeit a weak one given our problems listed above.
  2. Curved path is an 'S' and circle is an 'O,' depicting classical Subject-Object Metaphysics basal memes as indistinct, i.e., as one class of pattern. S and O are one, not separate and opposing one another.
  3. Curved path is a wave. Circle is a particle. Thus we get quanton(wave,particle) depicted graphically.
  4. Circle and path can latch. See if you can imagine how a Tao can latch.
  5. Path and circle are one, yet also c¤mplementary. An uncertainty interrelationship attracts both S/wave and O/circle. We can know one well at our own expense, i.e., our expense of only being able to know its c¤mplement less well, i.e., delta-S x delta-O >= k. A useful meme here is to consider k=1. When we do that, both delta-S and delta-O must both be one. This is Tao's zero entropy state, where Tao becomes a coherent entity. This is where Tao becomes essentially a Bose-Einstein Condensate.

    Similarly we may view path and circle as momentum and position and restate our words above in a new context. Likewise: energy/mass, vacuum-energy/energy, energy/time, etc.

    Try both positive and negative entropy exercises on your own. Tao is supple, indeed!
  6. It suggests three-dimensional and Mobius extensions. Here is our familiar 3D extension
    Now try to imagine what one would do to make this a Mobius Tao. Hmmm... Neat, eh? And where is an actual part of reality? And where is a nonactual part of reality? In other words where are MoQ's SQ and DQ? Imagine omnimensional Tao quantons.
  7. It suggests a Diracian <DQ | SQ> Tao model. Here is our latest version of it:
    Here we see our familiar Tao in a new Quantonic role. Here we see a Tao symbol manifesting SQ in DQ and DQ in SQ: cowithinitness, commingling, interpenetration, copermeability, etc. We also see a hint at Tao latching. We see hints of transformation, action, struction, choice, change, and so on... From a quantum perspective we see Tao's ability to show both preference and nonpreference. Nonpreference is a crucial meme for 'hiding' nonactual reality. Tao has within it power to hide all unknown. Profound!

    What do we mean by all unknown? As we showed in our SOM Connection, unknown is actual reality that we do n¤t know about, inclusive-plus nonapparent (ison¤npreferential flux) nonactuality. But all unknown is more than that. All unknown includes unlimited potential nonactual patterns of emergence which are n¤t yet happening in actuality.

    Our blue-dotted isoflux with isotropic arrows represents this unlimited potentia. Our ontology of latching novel emergence shows ison¤npreferential flux becoming tentative and then emerging as actual reality (either bosons with integer spins or fermions with half-integer spins).

    On spins, it is easy to think about bosons as dotted blue flux without isotropic arrows, or with blue dotted arrows flowing only monodirectionally. Fermions are always solid flux with or without solid unidirectional arrows. Our Latched Tao Quanton Meme above shows a fermion immersed in isoflux with a tentative, compenetrating, zero-spin isoflux attractor c¤mplement. (Metaphorically, Henri Louis Bergson offers an interpretation of that latter meme as, "Intuition interpenetrating intellect.")

    (Imagine 'hiding' as isotropic flux. Imagine self-canceling omnimensional, omniwavelength harmonic oscillators.)

    Too, we see potential for unlimited nesting of stasis and dynamis, Tao within Tao within Tao... SQ within SQ within SQ... DQ within DQ within DQ... DQ and SQ within DQ and SQ within DQ and SQ...

    We also see Tao's circle as a generator, as action, a wave/flux/harmonic dynamic wavelength generator whose waves may latch via struction.

One final note. Niels Bohr, father of early quantum theory, used a Tao symbol as foundation for his coat of arms with words "contraria sunt complementa" engraved around Tao. (Note his classical insistence on 'opposite' in his use of 'contraria.' In modern quantum science, we now know that we should put these more quantum words in Bohr's mouth: "There are n¤ 'classical' opposites. There are n¤ classical objects. C¤mplementarity is n¤t classical. There are only quantons. Quantons are quantum c¤mplementary.")

That's our answer folks!

That's what all this (reality) has to do with yin and yang!

Why? We do not know!

Thanks for reading, and thanks to those who took time to answer August, 1999's QQ&A.


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