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Chaldæan At Once Aside

The Mother Depths

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Quantum Thinking Mode, QTM, Chaldæan At Once Aside (New - 28-29Jul2007 - rev's 9-10Aug2007 - Doug):

Doug often omniscovers in retrospect that much of his thought and intuition maps closely and analogously to what Pirsig's ancients, what Doug now calls "quantum~Gn¤stic~ancients," wrote and thought. For Doug this is just profound. It offers a feeling similar what Pirsig described when he found other humans who thought much as he.

"When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another mind that thinks and talks as yours does is something close to a blessed event. Like Robinson Crusoe's discovery of footprints on the sand." Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Chapter 22, fourth paragraph beginning, "Eventually I came to Poincaré." Bantam paperback, 39th printing, November, 1989.

Doug recently, June-July, 2007, is reading some of Stephan Hoeller's work. Hoeller, et al., have republished a centennial edition of G. R. S. Mead's translation of gnostic texts in Hoeller's (not Mead's) 2006 retitled, Echoes from the Gnosis. Doug is in a process of highlighting, to Doug, obviously quantum~memeos in Mead's translation. Doug offers an enigmatic one on "At Once, Once Beyond, and Twice Beyond." We suggest you search for reprints of Mead's original Chaldæan Oracles I & II.

(Note: You may find it fascinating that Chaldæan is a name for ancient Iraqis! Is it apparent to you as it is to Doug now, that US is an agent of and for those who try and tried to destroy gnosis? Why? How can Doug make that nexus? Like this: George W. Bu()sh() and Dick anchor-Cheney represent what Chaldæans mean (see below) by 'Father' AKA the Paternal Demiurge AKA "Satan." Doug - 10Aug2007.)

Also, Wikipedia has good coverage of Mead and his gnostic mentor Madame Blavatsky.

We ask O'gadons and adepts to fathom quantum spins of 0, 1, and 2; further Doug's use of 1, 2, and 3; further "at once, once beyond, and twice beyond," and their 0, 1, 2 spin metaphors in quantum~cohera and quantum~entropa. Doug - 10Aug2007.

Doug could not resist emerqing nexi here with his own "...memeotically recapitulate all at once." It appears as though Doug had prior understanding (in his own con(m)sciousness and actual awarenessings, yet actually at his own con(m)scious 'level' Doug did n¤t have prior understanding...) of Gnosis' The Chaldæan Oracles I, from which Doug quotes 'The Mother-Depths:'

Original Text Quoted
from
Chaldæan Oracles
translated about 1900 by
G. R. S. Mead (1863-1933)
'The Chaldæan Oracles I'
Doug Renselle's Dark Blue Mark~up Commentary
Interrelating (translated)
Ancient Gnosis' Mythos
to
Quantonics'
Quantum Emersos
"But the old power is still there, waiting and watching, ready to clothe itself in new forms, forms more lovely still..." G. R. S. Mead, Afterward, Fragments of a Faith Forgotten, 1900, London and Benares.

THE MOTHER-DEPTHS

The Bosoms or Gulphs (? Vortices, Voragines,4 Whirl-swirls, Æons, Atoms) are also called Depths — a technical term of very frequent occurrence in all the Gnostic schools of the time. The Great Depth of all depths was that of the Father, the Paternal Depth. Thus one of our Oracles reads

Ye who, understanding, know the Paternal Depth cosmos-transcending. [K. 18, C. 168]

This Paternal Depth is the ultimate mystery; but from another point of view it may be regarded as the Intelligible Ordering of all things. It is called super-cosmic or cosmos-transcending, when cosmos is regarded as the sensible or manifested order; it is the Occult, or Hidden, Eternal Type of universals, or wholes, simultaneously interpenetrating one another, undivided (sensibly) yet divided (intelligibly). We are told, therefore, concerning this super-cosmic or trans-mundane Depth, that

It is all things, but intelligibly [all]. [K. 19]

That is to say, in it things are not divided in time and space; there is no sensible separation. It is not the specific state, or state of species; but the state of wholes or genera. It is neither Father nor Mother, yet both. It is the state of "At Once"; and perhaps this may explain the strange term "Once Beyond" — that is, the At-Once in the state of the Beyond, beyond the sensible divided cosmos. Proclus and Damascius speak of it as "of the form of oneness" and "indivisible"; and an Oracle characterizes as:

That which cannot be cut up; the Holder-together of all sources. [K. 19]

As such it may be regarded as the Mother-side of things, and this is called:

Source of [all] sources, Womb that holds all things together. [K. 19, C. 99]

The Later Platonic commentators compared this with Plato's Auto-zoon, the Living Thing-in-itself, the Source of life to all; and thus the That-which-gives-life-to-itself; and, therefore, the Womb of all living creatures. The Oracles, however, regard it as the Womb of Life, the Divine Mother.

She is the Energizer [lit., Work-woman] and Forth-giver of Life-bringing Fire. [K. 19, C. 55]

"She fills the Life-giving Bosom [or Womb} of Hecate." — the Supernal Mother's self-reflection in the sensible universe — says Proclus, basing himself on an Oracle, and:

Flows fresh and fresh [or on and on] into the wombs of things. [K. 19, C. 55]

The "wombs of things" are, literally, the "holders-together of things." They are reflections of the Great "Holder-together of all sources" of the fourth fragment back. This poetical expression for the Mother-Depth and her infinite reflections in her own nature of manifoldness, was developed by the Later Platonic commentators into the formal designation of a hierarchy — the Synoches. That which she imparts is called:

The Life-giving Might of Fire possessed of mighty power, [K. 19]

This is all on the Mother-side of things; but this should never be divorced from the Father-side, as may be seen from the nature of the mysterious Æon.

THE MOTHER-ISOFLUX~QUANTONS

The Bosoms or Gulphs (? Vortices, Voragines,4 Whirl-swirls, Æons, Atoms, quantons) are also called Depths [analogous Quantonics' quantum~isoflux; also fathom how gulf classically is dialectical and gulf complementaroceived as a quanton offers quantum~coherent quantum everywhere~associative~included~middlings...] — a technical term of very frequent occurrence in all the Gnostic schools of the time. The Great Depth of all depths was that of the Father, the Paternal Depth. Thus one of our Oracles reads

Ye who, understanding, know the Paternal Quanton cosmos-transcending. [K. 18, C. 168]

This Paternal Quanton is the ultimate mystery; but from another point of view it may be regarded as the Static Quality Ordering of all things. It is psychically (intelligently, intellectually) and hylically (materialistically) called super-cosmic or cosmos-transcending, when cosmos is regarded as the sensible (psychic-hylic) or manifested (SQ) order; it is the Occult, or Hidden, Eternal Type of universals, or wholes, simultaneously middle~including one another, undivided (quantum~coherent) yet divided (apparently dialectical). We are told, therefore, concerning this super-cosmic or trans-mundane Quanton, that

Iht issi all SQ, but only psychically-hylically [all]. [K. 19]

That is to say, ihn iht quantons are n¤t dividedDoug note 1 in time and space; there issi n¤ sensible separation. It is not the specific phasæ, or phasæ [AKA Bergsonian duration] of species; but phasicityings of wholes and genera. It is neither Father nor Mother, yet b¤th: quantons(Mother,Father). It is many phasicityings of "At Once"; and perhaps this may explain a strange term "Once Beyond" — that is, At-Once quantum~coherence in phasicityings of DQ, n¤nactual isoflux beyond yet quantumly cowithin and coinsiding a sensible divided cosmos. Proclus and Damascius speak of it as "emerscent quantum~coherence of oneness" and "indivisible"; and an Oracle characterizes as:

That [Dynamic Quality] which cann¤t be dialectically analysed; a Holder-together of all sources. Mother~Father(Mothers,Fathers). [K. 19]

As such it may be regarded as [an hermaphroditic] Mother~Father-side [AKA DQ sidis] of SQ, and this is called:

DQ~Source of [all] sources, Womb (pneumatically implied hermaphrodicity; hylics and psychics cann¤t 'get' n¤r 'fathom' this... - Doug - 9Aug2007) that holds all SQ together. [K. 19, C. 99]

The Later Platonic commentators compared this with Plato's Auto-zoon, the Living Thing-in-itself, the Source of life to all; and thus the That-which-gives-life-to-itself; and, therefore, the Womb of all living creatures. The Oracles, however, regard it as the Womb of Life, the Divine Mother.

She is the Energizer [lit., Work-woman; which now offers novel semantic head to picatrix - Doug - 9Aug2007; "...she who keeps life's boats afloat by paint~tarring their hulls..." - The Oracle] and Forth-giver of Life-bringing Fire. Quantonics' quantum~metaphor here is reserve~energy. [K. 19, C. 55] (Here is an interesting link in Italian AKA Latin. We sense they do not want us linking this page...but we know where they are and will just keep finding them...like they did Knights Templar...)

"She fills the Life-giving Bosom [or Womb] of Hecate." — the Supernal Mother's quantum~recursive~self~other~reflection in the sensible, SQ and fractal, multiversings — says Proclus, basing himself on an Oracle, and:

Flows quaqua fresh and fresh [or on and on] into the wombs of SQ. [K. 19, C. 55] See qua.

The "wombs of SQ" are, literally, the "quantons of quantons." [Mother(Mothers,Fathers). This verse offers a Chaldæan segue into real self~other~referent quantum~recursive~networking, a Chaldæan reality hologram. Doug - 29Jul2007.] They are reflections of the Great "Quantum~Hologram of all sources" of the fourth fragment back. This poetical expression for the Mother-Quanton and her infinite reflections in her own nature of manifoldness, was developed by the Later Platonic commentators into the formal designation of a hierarchy — the Synoches. That which she imparts is called:

The Life-giving Might of Isoflux possessed of mighty power, [K. 19]

This is all on the Mother-side of things; but this should never be dialectically, analytically excised from the Father-side, as may be seen from the nature of the mysterious Æon. Doug intuits this as a priori de sion of (i.e., future of zion as) holy grail, san graal, of hermaphroditism. To Doug Jesus-Didymos and Mary-John were royal blood quantons(Mother,Father), quantons(46XX,46XY). A Chaldæan vision of genuine quantum~reality!

Notes and references: 4 - English obsolete. An abyss, a whirlpool.

C = Cory, Ancient Fragments.

K = Kroll, De oraculus chaldaicis.

Doug note 1 - Fathom root semantics of division:

  • di - two, bi, bivalent, scission, dichotomy, cut, split, separate, reduce, disassemble, etc.
  • vision - view, perspect, percept, interpretation, see, qua of light, etc.

Classically, though, most of our semantics for divide and division surround objective mathematical meanings. We can see, however, that division encapsulates and perhaps shrouds deeper esoteric and enigmatic even hermeneutic and gnostic semantics.

Two visions? Complementary visions? Quantum~complementary visions? N¤nactual and actual visions? Mother and Father visions? Excluded-middle visions? Included~middlings visions? Divine pneumatic and demiurge psychic-hylic visions?

We see how reality really issi n¤n mathematical, n¤n mechanical, n¤n formal, n¤n dialectical..., don't we?!

See Quantonics' QELP of 'divide.'

Doug - 9-10Aug2007.

End aside (28Jul2007 - Doug; more recent updates 9-10Aug2007 - Doug...).


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